were talking about 1980 when it was all over for the democratic party. in 1988 when it was really all over for the democratic party. and then 1994 when it was really, really, really all over. >> really, really, really. >> for the democratic party. then in 2020 when it was really, really, really, really all over for the democratic party. it's never over, but the parties have to adjust. >> but the big challenge i think for the leadership for the president now is that bases out there, they have to keep mobilized. he said to them that night, your work is not done. you're not just voting as citizens because the only way he's going to get change in washington -- he can play the inside game for a while, maybe boehner will do something, maybe they'll make a deal, but to really make it happen, he has to mobilize pressure from the outside in. teddy roosevelt was out there mobilizing the people against his own conservative party, the republican party, to get regulation passed, and that's what he's going to have to do, too. >> thank you, doris. >> by the way, doris is headed out to the "lincoln" premiere.